Posts by JW Ben

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Baptismal vows.

by hornetsnest in

i don't post here very often, as there has been no time.

however, i do drop in occasionally to see what is going on.. .

another of the posters and i have frequent correspondance and this subject came up.

JW Ben

The wedding vows are different. People are aware that the are making a vow/ The answer is "I do" . in other vow of alligence the answer is "I swear"

The questions for baptism are qustiins with an answer of yes. eg

the first question is asking is the candidate has alread made a dedication. Lets use a similar non religous non vow question about what some has done.

Q Have you turned on you computer and gone on the internet today

A Yes

This is not a vow.

Second question is asking if the candidate is willing to be know as a JW. Lets use a similar non religous non vow question about what some is about to do .

Q Do you agree that by getting on this bus you will end up in the next state?

A Yes

This is not a vow.

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When is the world going to end?

by Davidson_73 in

the article is talking about the end of 6000 years of mas excistance on earth. They said their calculations were not infallible. The months or years waas refering to that situation .... 6000 years of mankind.

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Service Meeting Week Starting May 9, 2005

by TheListener in

song 217.

10 min: local announcements.

selected announcements from our km.

JW Ben

To heathen

JW Ben ---- #1 --- I think you need to edit your post for grammar , that one was pretty bad ....

#2 ---- The WTBTS has a way of making these "suggestions" that can be taken to mean you either do it or you aren't a good dubby and will be treated as spiritually weak .

#1 - I am dyslexic. Most time I write here i do it of line and then post. If i write while on line I make a lot of spelling etc mistakes.

#2 - I agree and disagree with you. My experience is that it is not the WTS that can make some JWs feel they arent good JWs but individual congregations. and they way they interprite what the WTS says. SOme are very good at notmaking you feel bad and some are very good at making you feell bad and most sit indetween.

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Service Meeting Week Starting May 9, 2005

by TheListener in

song 217.

10 min: local announcements.

selected announcements from our km.

JW Ben

I wish people would read things carefully. The shedual is a SIGGESSTION. There is a smple schedual and one that can be cut out with cut our icons for meetings, family study and doing the text to past onto the scedual that you cut out.

In no way is the article trying to controll every day things. It is not policed by any one. It is not enforced in any way. It is purley a suggestion to hepl busy families keep scriptual yhimgs in mind. If one does or does not do the text each day or get to all the meetings or out in the preaching work is entrily up to each individual or family and not the Congo or the WTBTS.

It amases me how much false information is spread on this board.

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How do you feel about elders DF'g a child of 13 or 14 for being a willing v

by frankiespeakin in

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whole title:.

how do you feel about elders df'g a child of 13 or 14 for being a willing victim of child abuse?

JW Ben

As a JW I do not think any child should be baptised.

As far as a girl goes that throuws themselves at a male, weel in some cases the girls do know what they are doing. They do it willfully. Some girls are just plain inocent inthier outlooks on life.

I know of girls around that age that will willingly hug other people becose thatis their inocent way, they have had a close loving family upbringing. Then I have sen girls at that age that are craving for atteniton and un-nkowingly (perhaps beter said unintentionally aware) of the fact that by showing males extra attention can lead the male to want more.

Then I have seen girls that with full knowledge of what thet are doing try to seduce a male.

In any case at that sort of age the parents should have had serious conversations with they children about how their actions can effect the opposite sex. SO if a 12 or 13 y.o girl (or boy) allows someone else to take advantage of them, the parents should hold some responability. (notice i said allow, not forced into) And the lines of coomuniction between parent and child should be open enough for the child to tell the parenrs if someone had molestered them (unfortunately that comminication is often lacking)

Here in Australia it is not illigal for a 12 or 13 y.o to have sex with some one their own age. So a lot of children at that age are often sexually active and do know what they are doing.

I have volenteered at a couple of schools working with children form age 9 to 14 that need one on one help with some aspects of learning. (esprcially dyslexic children) and I have seen all those types of behaviour. At the school I presently volenteer at there is one teache that had to be spoken too because many of the 11- 13 y.o. girls were paying him a lot of attention.

No JW is supposed to be DF for an act. The only reason fro DF (though not always followed) is for attitude. toward the act as in willfully and continuously engaiging in or for not being repentet of what ever they were accused of.

Bodies of elders that do the wrong thing will be accountable for their actions

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When is the world going to end?

by Davidson_73 in

JW Ben

FairMind

You posted.....

1975 was spoken of as the end of 6 thousand years of mans creation. Some remarkes were made about how appropriate it might be if it ended then, but they said they do not now and no one was to speculate (many did against that advice)

JWBen, considering what you said, what do you think about the following statements made in KMs?

*** w68 8/15 p. 499 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? ***

Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man?s existence on earth.

.? And yet the end of that sixth creative ?day? could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam?s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years

*** km 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***

Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world?s end.?1 John 2:17.

Have a good look at the first article you quote form. Iin the context of that quote they were talking about the end of the sixth creative day, not Armagedon. I undrstand you possibly have a problem with the staetment "the short time remaining". What constitutes a short time form the Biblical point of view. Peter wrote (1 Pet 4:7) " But the end of all things has drawn close. Be sound in mind, therefore, and be vigilant with a view to prayers" Why would he say such a thing and why would the WTS say a similar thing. To keep christians "on the watch" keeping the day of Jehovah close in mind. The area in res that you quote is not saying the WTS said to sell up but some thouight that there is no better way to serve Gid then by devoting more time to the warning people of his graet day. I was an active publisher in the sixties. I was there. I was baptised early 70's Personally I never expected armagedon in 1975. I never read more into what was written. I know many did. What promted people to be JWs back then? Was it to save their neck if Armagedon came or was it to serve the creator of the universe because he is our creator. I never have and never will serve a man nor an organisation. I decicated my life to do Gods will. To the best of my abilities I endvour to do so. Personally I think many became JWs just to save their neck and not because they wanted to obey Jehovah. WHo will be saved at Armaegon. Those doing his will. Just what is his will?. That is the difficult thing for any one to answer. I beleive that JW's as a people (not an organisation) are doing the will of God by proclaoming his name and warning of the comming battle between himself and Satan (when ever that might be - today - tomorrow or 100 years form now - it does not bother me how long as long) I will always do the best i can in my circumstances to do Gods will.

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Baptismal vows.

by hornetsnest in

i don't post here very often, as there has been no time.

however, i do drop in occasionally to see what is going on.. .

another of the posters and i have frequent correspondance and this subject came up.

JW Ben

JWs do not have any baptisimal vows. They have 2 baptism questions. The vow that is made is made in your heart between the individual and God. This is thewhen a person dedicates themself to do Gods will.

Baptism is the outward sign to all onlookers that the individual has made that vow. The 2 questons that are asked are...

On

the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:

Do

you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah?s Witnesses in association with God?s spirit-directed organization?

These questions just let all onlookers know that the individual has made a dedication vow and are prepared to be known as JWs. They are not vows.

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When is the world going to end?

by Davidson_73 in

JW Ben

JWs do not belive the world will ever end. The sytsem of rule that now governs this earth will end. The rule by Gods enemy Satan.

1975 was spoken of as the end of 6 thousand years of mans creation. Some remarkes were made about how appropriate it might be if it ended then, but they said they do not now and no one was to speculate (many did against that advice)

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Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?

by LMS-Chef in

just wondering.

JW Ben

I refer to my parents by their first name as well as my inlaws. I do not object to my children calling me by my first name as I think it shows we are more that father and child but friends. My children tell us everything that goes on in their life. We are their confidants. Even as young children I did not object to my first name being used as long as it was used with respect. I volunteer in a primarry school working closelt with a few students aged 9 - 12 . They use my first name as well and I allow it as long as it is use with respect.

For me the most compelling evidence that Jesus used his fathers name was the texts I quoted earlier he made his fathers name known and would make it known.

Not using the correct pronunciation in English is not a problem. Even today when people go to other countreis people will miss pronounce names. The point is the indivduals involed know by the name just who is being spoken of. By using Jehovah wich has been widely accepted since before the JKV of 1611 people know that it refers to the God of the Jews. It was only last centry that religions started making a real effort to get rid of it.

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Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?

by LMS-Chef in

just wondering.

JW Ben

Lets see what Jesus said at John 17:26

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. (AV)

and I made known unto them thy name, and will make it known; that the love wherewith thou lovedst me may be in them, and I in them. (ASV)

"And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them." (NKJV)

I made known to them thy name, and I will make it known, that the love with which thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them." (RSV)

"And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them." (Phillips)

and I made known to them Thy name, and will make known, that the love with which Thou lovedst me in them may be, and I in them.? (Youngs)

Some say this was to make known Gods personality, however the name of God the Hebrew verb YHWH has to do with Gods personality meaning possibly ?the existing one? or ?the one the causes to become?

Gods view was that his people should know is name. e.g all the texts in Ezekiel that say the nations will have to know that my name is YHWH (Jehovah)

It is true that the English version of Jehovah is not the correct pronunciation, but we accept all the other ?J? names in the Hebrew texts. and Jesus is not the way to pronounce his name in either Greek of Hebrew but we use it.

The NWT puts Jehovah in all the places where the writers of the NT quote from the OT. There are a few places where thet should have lest it out.

While on earth Jesus was promoting his fathers will and he was not afraid of controversy so he would have used his fathers name.

No original copies of the writings of the NT exist. Because of the tradition of the Jews not to use Gods name and because the Paul to the Theselonians said that a falling away would come (2:3 ? Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,?) The word for ?falling away? according to Strongs is apostasia apostasia ap-os-tas-ee?-ah; feminine of the same as 647 ; defection from truth (properly, the state) ["apostasy"]:?falling away, forsake.

There is no proof but it would seem as if those the copied the originals left out the name of God due to the tradition of not using it.